On this episode, April is joined by Jamie Corbin, Ben Cremer, Kelly Holder, and Elicia Zahm as they discuss Critical Race Theory through the lens of education, community, and faith. They also talk about power: who has it, who doesn’t, and why. This is the first episode in a series of 3 with this group discussing history, the Christian church, American education, racism, and the humility required to meaningfully address it all.
**Please note that this is a conversation among white community members specifically addressing how white people in their area are behaving and what needs to change; this is not intended to in any way center whiteness and/or speak on behalf of Black people about their experience. We acknowledge that no people group is a monolith, and we are are speaking from our own experiences and areas of knowledge.

“History, despite its wrenching pain, cannot be unlived, but if faced with courage, need not be lived again.”
Dr. Maya Angelou
The things we talked about…
- Unpack Your Impact by Naomi O’Brien and LaNesha Tabb
- Education with an Apron: great source for curricular materials
- “How a Black high school principal was swept into a ‘critical race theory’ maelstrom in a mostly white Texas suburb” by Brian López, The Texas Tribune
- Kelly’s 4 Principles for Understanding History: Land is power, Money talks, People are predictable, and There is always more than one perspective.
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